sorry by spa I was implying not a social club but a place like baths or an onsen where women might be naked in baths together; typically these spaces are sex / gender separated

I think the assumption in my question is that in the baths and locker rooms we assume the spaces are open and people do not have total privacy when in states of undress.

I think people often don’t seem to realize that sex-segregated bathrooms were a relatively recent invention, going back only a few hundred years: https://time.com/4337761/history-sex-segregated-bathrooms/

I do think the assumption that women will be attacked or sexually assaulted underlies at least some motivation (the TIME article above claims it is a view of women as weak and the public as dangerous - which generally fits that view). The fact that this reasoning was used to justify segregation in every aspect of public life, to the point of having separate train cars, and yet we saw that segregation go away nearly everywhere but bathrooms, it makes it seem like the claims about safety could have been overblown (or maybe more accurately: that segregation doesn’t necessarily protect as much as it claims). The TIME article argues that the only reason bathrooms are still segregated has more to do with the difficulty with changing codes and standards than anything like actual safety reasons.

OK, here’s another question: in the Middle East / Western Asia misogyny is quite a significant problem (that might be an understatement), and in northern Syria there was a women-only militia formed called the YPJ. The YPJ was formed as a group based on egalitarian, feminist ideology and has been praised for having improved the power and situation of women in that region.

It seems to me that segregation is sometimes used to oppress women, but sometimes segregation is also how women are able to carve out independence and push back against their oppression.

What do you make of this example of women who under extreme oppression were able to form a women-only militia which then increased the power of women in the region?

But my response to their claim is that, I am reasonable and I do have an issue with any group setting up places which discriminate based on gender. These safe places can form as a legitimate rudimentary form of protection, yes, but they maintain and often even promote sexism, and should all be challenged and turned into something better which serves the same purpose.

I’m curious whether you think you think this applies to, for example, a spa or locker room where people are in various states of undress and are separated into exclusive spaces based on gender?

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+1 for Lady Butterfly - she’s the best!!

I literally learned to read so I could read Harry Potter books so I didn’t have to wait for bedtime for my dad to read them to me; even though I was a “boy” I badly wanted to be Hermione Granger when I grew up

it’s really heart-breaking that she became so deranged and hateful, a lot of us loved her books growing up

They’re not the only person who thinks a PT Cruiser is poor taste …

oh, I’m dumb then, oops 😝

I think a Hummer would give me the ick faster; I feel like a PT Cruiser is ugly and poor taste, but I would at least find out if like they inherited the car or someone gifted them the car before nopeing out, whereas a Hummer wouldn’t probably get that level of benefit of the doubt, I would be looking for the quickest opportunity to nope.

I think I would also feel that way about Corvettes and certain other luxury cars. BMW is also a red flag. Lexus is borderline.

But yeah, I’m also not a typical person who actually went on dates or participated in much courting. At some point it was my goal to never have a romantic partner, and I see it as a fluke (even a failure) that someone found me anyway.

no worries - just seems like you’re the kind of person that would care about these things, and thought it was information you’d like to have

I’m a dirty liar

I do actually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_LaserJet_1020

I also realized if OOP is a man, that sometimes women will judge men on their financial status because the traditional path assumes “the woman” will need to depend on “the man” financially as a stay-at-home mom, and so a desirable man to a traditional, straight woman is usually a wealthy man.

Since I’m a gay woman and I accidentally assumed OOP was also a gay woman, I found it really confusing why she was worried the girl she is going out on a date would judge her for her old but reliable car.

The whole meme makes more sense to me with OOP being a straight man 😅

a 2004 Honda Civic is like a personal green flag for me, it’s actually hard to wrap my head around that being a bad thing

I forgot straight people exist and was confused why a 2004 Honda Civic would be a problem

https://glaad.org/term-to-avoid-transgenderism/

and don’t roll over and let the semen drip into your vagina, because anal sex can still cause pregnancy if not careful

I thought this was mostly a joke, but there really are men in the comments telling us to just buy men’s pants 🙄