The only thing more cruel than war is liberals.
The only thing more cruel than war is liberals.
What makes a Tankie, is the support of Authoritarian regimes and turning a blind eye to genocides and many other human rights violations when committed by said regimes
That’s exactly what liberals of Lemmy do though.
When was the last time you spoke against Zelensky’s regime, that literally turned my country into a concentration camp that people cannot leave and are kidnapped off the streets (and even fucking hospitals!) in front of their crying wives/mothers, to be sent into the meatgrinder and never be seen again?
That’s a rhetorical question, of course you never did (and those who do, including me, are paid Russian shills, tankies or just bots). Because for a liberal, it’s never “authoritarianism bad” or “Nazism bad” or “human rights violations bad” or anything like this - it’s only bad when the other side is doing it. When “the good guys” are doing it, it’s not just totally acceptable, the guy is a hero.
Well, you raise a valid point, it’s also bad of course.
It’s just that “forcing you to do a thing (a physical labor) you do not want to do” and “forcing you to give up a part of your salary” are different things.
Let’s not pretend this doesn’t happen 100 fold in Russia
I think it’s also happening in Russia, and people fighting for their freedom in Russia are also heroes
except your tiny dictator doesn’t allow people to speak freely in Russia
“My tiny dictator” (that I didn’t vote for though, and who is totally illegitimate right now) is Zelenskyi, he doesn’t have a great deal of influence on speaking freely in Russia, he does make sure that people have no say in his little kingdom where he is the authoritarian ruler though
Gtfo out of Ukraine
Thankfully I already did. Otherwise I would be dead just like hundreds of thousands of other Ukrainians, thanks to people like you who support Zelensky’s regime.
Or is it just being forced to directly do morally abhorrent things?
Not just “morally abhorrent things”, any forced labor is wrong.
I don’t think I am “arguing semantics” (whatever that means), and you evaded the question :(
In the event of a real defensive war, where your nation is invaded with the intent of conquest or subjugation, you will not have a lack of volunteers. You will have a lack of trained people.
Hey, I have a (purely theoretical!) question if you don’t mind.
So, if there was (theoretically of course) a war out there, where the government openly admits that they lack volunteers, people are trying to escape the country en masse by illegally crossing the border, and also there were thousands of videos online about that government kidnapping people off the streets (so that they have at least someone to send into the war), would it mean by your definition that such a war is not “with the intent of conquest or subjugation”?
It is abuse and violation of person’s freedom and dignity. It (and people supporting it) should be fought by any means necessary.
As far as I know this is the first case of a Ukrainian civilian actually standing up for themselves, and not running from TCC “officers”, but shooting them instead, and even rescuing a mobilized man in this case! The best moment for that was about three years ago, but the second one was now.
Unfortunately, they were both caught. Still, now that getting shot is on the table, maybe other “officers” will think twice before kidnapping people.
I’m way too familiar with liberals labeling everything they don’t like as “fascist propaganda” :)
So, still no.
No. And I would continue helping people evade whatever censorship a government tries to impose on them.
Yes, you can, it exposes incoming transactions (but not the outgoing ones).
https://www.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/viewkey.html
it seems to be a fairly technical community and indeed very liberal/marxist
I think “fairly technical community” applies to most decentralized/federated communities, for better or for worse :/
were heavily downvoted
On Lemmy, downvotes do not matter as much. There is no “karma”, your comment/post will not get “hidden”, etc. The only impact is that your post/comment will be ordered lower when sorting by active (I prefer sorting by new). Some instances disable downvotes, but I don’t think there is a point in doing that :)
This instance not even requires an e-mail address.
To be fair, this is probably a privilege only affordable to small instances, like this one… Dealing with spam/bots/etc. becomes harder the bigger the website is :(
Totally agree here :(
I think that Reddit is still worse though. Reddit is one huge (“liberal”) echo-chamber, while Lemmy consists of several medium-ish echo-chambers (LW for “liberals”, .ml for “communists”, and so on and so on) but that are still linked together (oh well, that is until the defederation wars start…). So, on Reddit you are forced to be in the echo-chamber, while on Lemmy you still can interact with people of opposing views, if you choose to.
Meanwhile Russia is famously more corrupt than Ukraine, has been since long before Maidan
That’s a lie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
2020-2023 - Russia is more corrupt
2012-2019 - more or less the same, sometimes Russia wins sometimes Ukraine
1995-2012 - Ukraine is more corrupt
attempted to pervert Ukraine’s elections to install a corrupt leader under their control
Are you talking about 2010 elections?
After the second round of the election international observers and the OSCE called the election transparent and honest
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ukrainian_presidential_election#International_observers
You’re either lying again, or using the typical western-liberal “it’s only democracy if our candidate winds” (or, well, both).
Nice disinformation bro
No, why would they? Haven’t you heard that Russia is literally Mordor filled with orcs, while Ukraine (especially under Zelensky’s rule) is a bastion of democracy? I don’t think that western governments/media and especially Zelensky (who doesn’t benefit at all from this war and is the main victim here) would lie to anyone about that!
Now that we got sarcasm out of the way…
If you want to form an informed opinion about it you can start by looking at the map of 2010 elections, where there was basically two candidates, a pro-EU one and pro-Russian one. Take a look at the distribution and percentage of people voting for a particular candidate in particular regions. Then look into the coup that happened in 2014, which powers participated in it (you can listen to their leaked conversations as well), then remember the electoral map you just looked at, and maybe make some conclusions.
That’s “before the invasion” the part.
“After the invasion” part is of course less clear, but again if you want to start making an informed opinion you can start by looking, for example, at the level of freedom people located on Ukraine controlled territories have and that of people on annexed by Russia territories (or just “Russia proper” territories). Who is free to leave at any moment and go anywhere, and who is forbidden to leave the country because the government needs cannon fodder? Who is encouraged to volunteer to join the army with monetary incentives, and who is kidnapped from the street, beaten, held in basements for days and forcefully sent to the meat grinder? Again, you can try to make some conclusions from that, and maybe speculate whether it’s possible that people from one of those groups may want to join the other one.
As a finishing touch - I am Ukrainian, I was born there, and lived most of my life there. Thankfully, I left the country before the war started. If I visit Ukraine - I will most likely be dead in a matter of months (after being kidnapped and beaten by the brave TCC guys). If I visit Russia - I will at most face more scrutiny at the border due to the war. I’m not from an eastern region of Ukraine and I never wanted it to become a part of Russia. You can try to guess which options are preferrable for me currently.
So, we started with “no negotiations until we re-take Crimea and Donbas / go back to 2014 borders”, now we are on “no negotiations until we re-take Kherson and Zaporizhzhia / go back to 2022 borders”, and the next step will be “no negotiations until we get Dnipropetrvosk back / go back to 2025 borders”? :(
Troop shortage and unwillingness to fight? In Ukraine? I don’t see a single reason why this might be the case. How can people whom Zelensky treats as his slaves, who are forbidden from leaving the country, kidnapped off the streets, beaten (sometimes to death), held in basements for multiple days and then get sent to the meatgrinder where they are either killed/wounded or tortured by their commanders, how can they be unwilling to fight for Zelensky’s regime?? Sounds like Russian propaganda if you ask me, no way this is true.
“A Trump imposed deal would be worse” - I can’t imagine what (realistically) can be worse than living under Zelensky’s regime.
What is Putin going to do? Put even more effort into making sure people cannot escape Ukraine? Start kidnapping even more people off the street? Or do it even more brutally then what happens now? Beat and torture even more people?
Anything is better than Zelensky’s regime…
Liberals are literally more cruel than war.
A person that has even a slightest bit of compassion/empathy recognizes how bad war is and helps people flee the affected areas, ensures there are minimal casualties, supports ending the war.
Liberals have no compassion, no emapthy, they only pursue their goals no matter the human suffering. They support a dictator that stops people from fleeing the country, resulting in thousands of deaths and suffering people. They support people being kidnapped from the streets, homes and hospitals (the same people that they trapped there), and sent into the meatgrinder, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths. They would not mind the war going on until the very last Ukrainian is dead. They have no red lines.
Liberals make an already awful thing a level of magnitude worse. Liberals are worse than war.