Didn’t they say they went out for cigarettes?

So you can’t name one. Got it.

Cool. Name one. A specific one that we can directly reference, where they themselves can make that claim. Not a secondary source, but a primary one. And specifically, not the production companies either, keeping in mind that the argument that I’m making is that copyright law, was intended to protect those who control the means of production and the production system itself. Not the artists.

The artists I know, and I know several. They make their money the way almost all people make money, by contracting for their time and services, or through selling tickets and merchandise, and through patreon subscriptions: in other words, the way artists and creatives have always made their money. The “product” in the sense of their music or art being a product, is given away practically for free. In fact, actually for free in the case of the most successful artists I know personally. If they didn’t give this “product” of their creativity away for free, they would not be able to survive.

There is practically 0 revenue through copyright. Production companies like Universal make money through copyright. Copyright was also built, and historically based intended for, and is currently used for, the protection of production systems: not artists.

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A lecture from a professional free software developer and activist whose focus is the legal history and relevance of copyright isn’t a legitimate source? His website: https://questioncopyright.org/promise/index.html

The anti-intelectualism of the modern era baffles me.

Also, he’s on the fediverse!

kfogel.org

@kfogel@kfogel.org

Cool. What artists?

Cool. What artist?

Edit because I didn’t read the second half of your comment. If you are too up-your-own ass and anti-intellectual to educate yourself on this matter, maybe just don’t have an opinion.

Gatekeeping absolutely was the intention of copyright, not to provide artists with income.

Me too. I fundamentally oppose the idea that ideas can be owned, even by oneself.

But a weird cult has developed around copyright where people think they are on the side of the little guy by defending copyright.

Wrong in all points.

No, actually, I’m not at all. In-fact, I’m totally right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhBpI13dxkI

Copyright originated create a monopoly to protect printers, not artists, to create a monopoly around a means of distribution.

How many artists do you know? You must know a few. How many of them have received any income through copyright. I dare you, to in good faith, try and identify even one individual you personally know, engaged in creative work, who makes any meaningful amount of money through copyright.

Aaron Swartz was 100% opposed to all copyright laws, you remember that yah?

This particular vein of “pro-copyright” thought continuously baffles me. Copyright has not, was not intended to, and does not currently, pay artists.

Its totally valid to hate these AI companies. But its absolutely just industry propaganda to think that copyright was protecting your data on your behalf

So anyways, I started re-telling Grimms Fairy tales to my boss at work…

My partner and I have hosted many many people through our home(s) in various states of flourishing or floundering. We recently had one of our best friends commit suicide, after they came to stay with us from having a previous attempt. That was january(link). I wish we could have done so much more. We also caught the falling knives of spousal abuse, homelessness, extreme PTSD (like relationship ending bad, from their time in Iraq).

We’ve made it known to some of our circles that if need be, that we will shelter them with no questions asked, even if that means breaking the law. This includes lgbt+, greencard and other visa holders, including certain middle eastern identities that are being particularly targeted at the moment, and especially them because we know they are going to be directly targeted. We’ll probably become targeted ourselves, primarily because of our roles in science and politics, but eh. Can’t be helped.

We don’t have a choice other than to be better people than we were raised by this society to be in this moment. We had the grace of time to prepare for this moment and we gave the reigns to feckless and worthless tenders. We’re all suffering the failure of that moment, the moment where the American people needed to demand better from their political estate and chose not to.

But here we are. Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do or die.

sigh…

Like they’re gonna let me stay in the city.

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Impeachment seems like a meaningless political gesture.